{"id":16374,"date":"2025-09-13T23:57:40","date_gmt":"2025-09-13T23:57:40","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/cambridgeairforce.org.nz\/WONZShow\/?p=16374"},"modified":"2025-09-29T20:40:25","modified_gmt":"2025-09-29T20:40:25","slug":"wonz-335-john-gaertner-and-the-avro-504k","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/cambridgeairforce.org.nz\/WONZShow\/2025\/09\/wonz-335-john-gaertner-and-the-avro-504k\/","title":{"rendered":"WONZ 335 &#8211; John Gaertner and the Avro 504K"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_2677\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-16374-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/wonz\/cambridgeairforce.org.nz\/WONZShow\/wp-content\/uploads\/WONZ_Ep_335_John_Gaertner.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/wonz\/cambridgeairforce.org.nz\/WONZShow\/wp-content\/uploads\/WONZ_Ep_335_John_Gaertner.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/wonz\/cambridgeairforce.org.nz\/WONZShow\/wp-content\/uploads\/WONZ_Ep_335_John_Gaertner.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/wonz\/cambridgeairforce.org.nz\/WONZShow\/wp-content\/uploads\/WONZ_Ep_335_John_Gaertner.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/cambridgeairforce.org.nz\/WONZShow\/?powerpress_pinw=16374-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/wonz\/cambridgeairforce.org.nz\/WONZShow\/wp-content\/uploads\/WONZ_Ep_335_John_Gaertner.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"WONZ_Ep_335_John_Gaertner.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/au\/podcast\/wings-over-new-zealand-show\/id606143097?mt=2&amp;ls=1#episodeGuid=https%3A%2F%2Fcambridgeairforce.org.nz%2FWONZShow%2F%3Fp%3D16374\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_itunes\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Apple Podcasts\" rel=\"nofollow\">Apple Podcasts<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/cambridgeairforce.org.nz\/WONZShow\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>Guest:<\/strong>&nbsp;John Gaertner<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Host:<\/strong>&nbsp;Dave Homewood<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Recorded:<\/strong>&nbsp;14th of September 2025<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Published:&nbsp;<\/strong>14th of September 2025<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Duration:<\/strong>&nbsp;1 hour 27 minutes, 58 seconds<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>John Gaertner has had a long career and life in aviation, working as a research assistant for the Smithsonian Institute&#8217;s National Air and Space Museum, as an airline clerk for TWA, and as the curator of the EAA Museum at Oshkosh, Wisconsin.  He then went out on his own, rebuilding vintage aeroplanes. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>His company, Blue Swallow Aviation, based at Free Union, Virginia, in the United States, has restored five Curtiss Jenny WWI biplanes to flying condition, and parts for many other aircraft, and parts for exhibitions. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Currently he is working on building several Avro 504Ks, one of which is using the remains of the original ex-New Zealand Permanent Air Force Avro 504K known as A201. This aircraft was the first of six Avros commissioned new for the NZPAF that entered service in 1925. It served with the Air Force till 1931, then was sold into private hands and entered the NZ Civil Register as ZK-ACN. It gained the nickname &#8220;Joybird&#8221;. It flew till the 1st of January 1940, when WWII forced most civil aircraft to stop flying. The remains of A201 ended up eventually with Stuart Tantrum of Blenheim, who was rebuilding A202. The latter was finished and returned to the air by Stuart, by which time it was now owned by The Vintage Aviator Collection. It still flies today at Masterton.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>John has been working on A201 for a number of years and he intend to have it flying within the next 15 months. He talks about A201 and the legacy of the Avro 504 as a type, and about his interesting career in this interview.   <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>John says, &#8220;It sounds corny but most people would not believe me regarding all the projects I have worked on. Museums, Exhibits, making plane parts, instruments, flying cloths \u2026 But its all true. Lots of interests and a desire to learn. Not to mention teach. We never touched on my creating an entire 2 year program of technical high school for Aviation Maintenance Technology. I enjoy projects. Start and a finish. I enjoy a challenge that other people don\u2019t or can\u2019t do.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Quick Links:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u2022&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.blueswallowaircraft.com\/\">Blue Swallow Aviation LLC<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u2022&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/profile.php?id=100057613623027\" data-type=\"link\" data-id=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/profile.php?id=100057613623027\">Blue Swallow Aviation LLC on Facebook<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u2022&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/avro504.org\/\" data-type=\"link\" data-id=\"https:\/\/avro504.org\/\">John&#8217;s Avro 504 Site<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u2022&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/airandspace.si.edu\/\">The Smithsonian Institute&#8217;s National Air and Space Museum<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u2022\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.eaa.org\/eaa-museum\" data-type=\"link\" data-id=\"https:\/\/www.eaa.org\/eaa-museum\">The EAA Museum, Oshkosh<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u2022&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/cams.net.nz\/\">Classic Aero Machining Services (CAMS) at Omaka, New Zealand<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u2022&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/camsaeroengines\">Classic Aero Machining Services (CAMS) on Facebook<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The music is Wild Flower by Joachim Karud.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/cambridgeairforce.org.nz\/WONZShow\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/John-Gaertner-BSA-LLC-1.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"768\" src=\"https:\/\/cambridgeairforce.org.nz\/WONZShow\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/John-Gaertner-BSA-LLC-1-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-16375\" srcset=\"https:\/\/cambridgeairforce.org.nz\/WONZShow\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/John-Gaertner-BSA-LLC-1-1024x768.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/cambridgeairforce.org.nz\/WONZShow\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/John-Gaertner-BSA-LLC-1-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/cambridgeairforce.org.nz\/WONZShow\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/John-Gaertner-BSA-LLC-1-768x576.jpg 768w, https:\/\/cambridgeairforce.org.nz\/WONZShow\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/John-Gaertner-BSA-LLC-1-150x113.jpg 150w, https:\/\/cambridgeairforce.org.nz\/WONZShow\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/John-Gaertner-BSA-LLC-1-400x300.jpg 400w, https:\/\/cambridgeairforce.org.nz\/WONZShow\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/John-Gaertner-BSA-LLC-1.jpg 1280w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Above: John Gaertner in front of a photo of an Avro 504K. <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/cambridgeairforce.org.nz\/WONZShow\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/FB_IMG_1695948429753.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"768\" height=\"1024\" src=\"https:\/\/cambridgeairforce.org.nz\/WONZShow\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/FB_IMG_1695948429753-768x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-16403\" srcset=\"https:\/\/cambridgeairforce.org.nz\/WONZShow\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/FB_IMG_1695948429753-768x1024.jpg 768w, https:\/\/cambridgeairforce.org.nz\/WONZShow\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/FB_IMG_1695948429753-225x300.jpg 225w, https:\/\/cambridgeairforce.org.nz\/WONZShow\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/FB_IMG_1695948429753-113x150.jpg 113w, https:\/\/cambridgeairforce.org.nz\/WONZShow\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/FB_IMG_1695948429753-400x533.jpg 400w, https:\/\/cambridgeairforce.org.nz\/WONZShow\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/FB_IMG_1695948429753.jpg 1080w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 768px) 100vw, 768px\" \/><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Above: John Gaertner at the USAF Museum in Dayton, Ohio, with their Avro 504K and Curtiss Jenny. He says, &#8220;Pretty much say it all. I helped the Museum with restoration details and how to cover the Avro using authentic Irish Linen. Been up there several time to see it before it was hung up.&#8221;<br><br>Below is a selection of photos sent by John of his work on Jenny and Avro biplanes over the years.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/cambridgeairforce.org.nz\/WONZShow\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/MUS120012-scaled.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"744\" src=\"https:\/\/cambridgeairforce.org.nz\/WONZShow\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/MUS120012-1024x744.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-16404\" srcset=\"https:\/\/cambridgeairforce.org.nz\/WONZShow\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/MUS120012-1024x744.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/cambridgeairforce.org.nz\/WONZShow\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/MUS120012-300x218.jpg 300w, https:\/\/cambridgeairforce.org.nz\/WONZShow\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/MUS120012-768x558.jpg 768w, https:\/\/cambridgeairforce.org.nz\/WONZShow\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/MUS120012-1536x1116.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/cambridgeairforce.org.nz\/WONZShow\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/MUS120012-2048x1488.jpg 2048w, https:\/\/cambridgeairforce.org.nz\/WONZShow\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/MUS120012-150x109.jpg 150w, https:\/\/cambridgeairforce.org.nz\/WONZShow\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/MUS120012-400x291.jpg 400w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">New Zealand Permanent Air Force aircraft lined up on the airfield at Wigram Aerodrome. Serial numbers are: DH9 D3139; Avro 504K A201 (John&#8217;s aircraft); Bristol Fighter 6857; Bristol Fighter 6856.<br>Air Force Museum of New Zealand Photo MUS120012.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped wp-block-gallery-1 is-layout-flex wp-block-gallery-is-layout-flex\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/cambridgeairforce.org.nz\/WONZShow\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/BSA-New-Avro-logo.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"528\" height=\"301\" data-id=\"16376\" src=\"https:\/\/cambridgeairforce.org.nz\/WONZShow\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/BSA-New-Avro-logo.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-16376\" srcset=\"https:\/\/cambridgeairforce.org.nz\/WONZShow\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/BSA-New-Avro-logo.jpg 528w, https:\/\/cambridgeairforce.org.nz\/WONZShow\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/BSA-New-Avro-logo-300x171.jpg 300w, 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